Muslim stabs and kills orthodox priest (nsfw)

[kebab]

christianity didnt help newton invent the math that i as an atheist probably know more about than you

siberian temperature IQ. Did atheism help anyone invent anything ?

can you tell me how you do/ would know more than me about maths ?

If you say its « because ur atheist » than thats cope since I just told you that almost all of mathematics was discovered by religious people.

 

[looksmac]

I've not noticed that, most of they seem narcy imo (not all).

Squirtle is Christian btw

Might be I guess I don't know i don't usually look into these debates also why gandy degen banner use something more non degen

 

[noodlelover]

Pretty much every religion, people, have committed genocide so this is irrelevant (im not saying it wasnt bad/evil).

In the past. Islam and Judaism are now the most violent religions.

This goes against the Quran and again, it is not (at all) something done only by muslims.

Many Islamic Jihadist groups would disagree with you.

Majority of the victims of ISIS are muslims. Again, groups that kill people in the name of their beliefs isnt a « muslim only » thing

Because the U.S. and Russia have dropped a huge amount of Bombs on them to contain them to the middle east. ISIS wants to take over the entire world.

« Muslims perpetrated 12.5% of attacks in the US, yet received half of the news coverage. »

Muslims are 1.1% of the U.S. population. Such as small percentage of the population causing so much violence. Imagine if we let more of them in?

They literally cut people's heads off for drawing cartoons. If you have an insane group world wide, committing so much violence in a way intentionally designed to get news coverage, like drowning people in cages and cutting off heads, they are going to get media attention.

 

[Azonin]

siberian temperature IQ. Did atheism help anyone invent anything ?

can you tell me how you do/ would know more than me about maths ?

If you say its « because ur atheist » than thats cope since I just told you that almost all of mathematics was discovered by religious people.

i know more maths cause i do it everyday as a job and go college and im ahead of everyone.

I also think youre not understanding what atheism means. Atheism doesnt mean to claim god doesnt exist, but rather to deny affirming the existence of it, so atheism is the neutral position. This means the burden of proof is on you to show religion should be considered when it comes to civilisation and just a good society in general.

 

[looksmac]

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You know how to rep farm don't you? Future incelebrity in making also you didn't reply why men's virginity do not matter?

 

[malvolio511]

He wasnt muslim + show me anywhere in the quran or the sunnah where muslims are told to kill people with different ideologies.

Surah 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”

Surah 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”

 

[i_love_roosters]

Copy-pasted BS

It's still true, I often argue with muzzies so I have some things stored in my arsenal

Yet there are no copies of the gospel from that date range so this is irrelevant. We also dont have any type of chain of narration or anything. this is a debate for another day tho.

I guess you mean

You also dont have any type of chain of narration or anything

We don't need a "chain" nigga. The guys who wrote the Gospels were literally there and heard Jesus say it first hand. A "narration" doesn't get more "sahih" than that

when they were compiled doesnt change anything.

It does, it's way too late in your case. Not to mention that they were compiled very far away from where the supposed events happened. Jfl Muhammad al-Bukhari whote this shit from 4k kilometers away

Chain of narration is the most important thing when it comes to hadith authentification.

To authenticate a hadith, scholars look at the biography and date of birth/death first to see if it is historically accurate, then for each narrator they look at: whether the narrator was a muslim, had reached puberty and was known to be wise and trustworthy, was not an open sinner.

Then they check if the hadith contradicts the Quran or not and if the language matches the one used at the time of the prophet.

214 years later and 4k kilometers away

Chain of narration my ass

 

[Eternal_]

Surah 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”

Surah 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”

ACHKSHUALLYYYYY, YOU NEED CONTEXT SARRRRR!!!!!!

 

[kebab]

In the past. Islam and Judaism are now the most violent religions.

that doesnt mean we should ignore the past.

Many Islamic Jihadist groups would disagree with you.

thats fine, all reputable muslims scholars now and from before disagree with them. Same way most christians would disagree with extremist groups like the KKK that have a flawed interpretation of christian scriptures.

Because the U.S. and Russia have dropped a huge amount of Bombs on them to contain them to the middle east. ISIS wants to take over the entire world.

the bombing of middle eastern civilians and the stealing of $150 billions of oil money wasnt to « contain » ISIS.

like drowning people in cages and cutting off heads

Like the US did in the middle east ? Im not condoning terrorist attacks, im just pointing out the hypocrisy of the media.

Surah 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”

Surah 47:4, “So, when you meet (in fight with) those who disbelieve, strike at their necks till you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (and take them as captives). After the war lays down its burden, then either show generosity (free them without ransom), or ransom (to benefit Islam). But (Allah adapted this way) in order to test some of you with others. Those who are killed in the way of Allah, Allah will never let their deeds be lost.”

I replied to 9:29 earlier and 47:4 is also talking about a specific battle.

It's still true, I often argue with muzzies so I have some things stored in my arsenal

Its not, nor do you have any way to say it is. This is most likely something copy pasted from some christian with some arabic knowledge.

I guess you mean

Yep, mb

We don't need a "chain" nigga. The guys who wrote the Gospels were literally there and heard Jesus say it first hand. A "narration" doesn't get more "sahih" than that

No, « those who wrote the gospels » were eyewitnesses of eye witnesses which is a chain.

It does, it's way too late in your case. Not to mention that they were compiled very far away from where the supposed events happened. Jfl Muhammad al-Bukhari whote this shit from 4k kilometers away

Give me a reason why the location of the compilation changes the authenticity of a hadith

 

[kebab]

i know more maths cause i do it everyday as a job and go college and im ahead of everyone.

Atheism has nothing to do with that so its irrelevant to our debate

I also think youre not understanding what atheism means. Atheism doesnt mean to claim god doesnt exist, but rather to deny affirming the existence of it, so atheism is the neutral position.

ik

This means the burden of proof is on you to show religion should be considered when it comes to civilisation and just a good society in general.

It should be considered as there is no objective morality without it.

 

[Azonin]

Atheism has nothing to do with that so its irrelevant to our debate

ik

It should be considered as there is no objective morality without it.

"There is no objective morality without it"

I disagree

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

it could be a false flag done by a jew tbh. It wouldnt be the first time they've done it:

Yeah Palestinians are very anti semetic….


No shit if I were killing your people off due to your race and religion I’m sure you’d also despise me and my race. This reminds me of Cumskins who say Malcom X and black panthers were terrorists and bad like they had no reason to be bad they were being treated like dogshit by people who are the same colour as pigs they had every right to be mad

 

[i_love_roosters]

No, « those who wrote the gospels » were eyewitnesses of eye witnesses which is a chain.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote the Gospels, they were in the presence of Jesus. They didn't ask others what to write

Give me a reason why the location of the compilation changes the authenticity of a hadith

Over such a long time, information can be easily distorted. Like a game of telephone, details may be added, removed, or made sound better in the retelling of the sayings across generations. Societies and their values change over centuries. The hadith nigga, living in a different cultural context 4000 kilometers away, can definitely misinterpret the meaning or intent behind Muhammad's sayings. Not to mention, he probably had his own agenda when collecting the sayings. He definitely filtered those (choose to include sayings that support his views and omit others... reminds me of this one book that got some of it's chapters burned and eaten by sheep so they may never see light ever again ). Being this far away, it's unlikely that Bukhari had access to reliable sources to verify the authenticity of the sayings he collected. And last but not least, there's a chance the author, or someone in the "transmission chain", fabricated sayings entirely to fit a certain narrative or for dramatic effect (the moon split for example)

 

[kebab]

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote the Gospels, they were in the presence of Jesus. They didn't ask others what to write

you say this like it is a well-known fact when its source of many debates amongst christian scholars

Over such a long time, information can be easily distorted. Like a game of telephone, details may be added, removed, or made sound better in the retelling of the sayings across generations. Societies and their values change over centuries

This does not play in your favour, knowing that the oldest bible (incomplete btw) is from 300-305 AD

The hadith nigga, living in a different cultural context 4000 kilometers away, can definitely misinterpret the meaning or intent behind Muhammad's sayings. Not to mention, he probably had his own agenda when collecting the sayings

could have, however Bukhari and other hadtith books were all authenticated both at the time of the compilation and later by others.

Not to mention, he probably had his own agenda when collecting the sayings

« probably »

He definitely filtered those (choose to include sayings that support his views and omit others... reminds me of this one book that got some of it's chapters burned so they may never see light ever again )

The bible ?

Being this far away, it's unlikely that Bukhari had access to reliable sources to verify the authenticity of the sayings he collected

Thats where the importance of the chain of narration comes in lol

And last but not least, there's a chance the author, or someone in the "transmission chain", fabricated sayings entirely to fit a certain narrative or for dramatic effect

again, this is why the field of islamic studies specialising in the authentification of hadith is so important to us

(moon split for example)

Bad example since the moon splitting is from Quran and not hadith

 

[rizzmqxer66]

Well well well

 

[i_love_roosters]

you say this like it is a well-known fact when its source of many debates amongst christian scholars

It's not a "source of many debates", maybe there are some retards who wanna make a career out of sayings controversial stuff, but real scholars just laugh at them.

This does not play in your favour, knowing that the oldest bible (incomplete btw) is from 300-305 AD

Cope, The Bible is unchanged, It's a fact confirmed by some of the biggest critics of Christianity

« probably »

could have, however Bukhari and other hadtith books were all authenticated both at the time of the compilation and later by others.

« could »

The bible ?

It was narrated that Aishah said: "The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten
times was revealed and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his
death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it." Sunan Ibn Majah

again, this is why the field of islamic studies specialising in the authentification of hadith is so important to us

Secular historians laugh at y'all's "chains" and criteria. Muslims scholars said Islam was right . How about you try and read some criticism from independent historians.

Bad example since the moon splitting is from Quran and not hadith

Ok, my bad, here are some miracles of Muhammad that can only be found in the hadith:

• Multiplication of water: In a situation where the companions were thirsty, the Prophet dipped his hand in a vessel with little water, and water miraculously flowed from his fingers, quenching their thirst [Hadith sources: Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim].
• Healing with saliva: During a battle, the Prophet used his saliva to heal Ali's eye infection [Hadith sources: Sahih Bukhari, Musnad Ahmad].
• Night Journey (Isra and Mi'raj): The Quran mentions a night journey (Q 81:23-25) but doesn't detail the specific events like Prophet Muhammad traveling to Jerusalem and ascending to the heavens [Hadith sources: Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim].

 

[NotCarv]

Based

 

[zombie]

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ofc ethnics flock to a violent religion like islam it’s all their underdeveloped brains understand is violence

 

[Funnyunenjoyer1]

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He didn't die though thank God

 

[DildoFaggins]

Based

yet you keep a devout orthodox christian in your signature cuck

 

[NotCarv]

yet you keep a devout orthodox christian in your signature cuck

I like his quotes lol

 

[DildoFaggins]

I like his quotes lol

"quotes" jfl, he's the greatest existentialist writer of all time and a master of human psychology; unmatched when it comes to portraying the human condition in its purest essence

 

[kebab]

It's not a "source of many debates", maybe there are some retards who wanna make a career out of sayings controversial stuff, but real scholars just laugh at them.

There is no evidence of them being eyewitnesses. Richard Bauckmann, christian scholar said in his biblical-studies-award winning book: "while the eyewitnesses originated (at least some of) the traditions about Jesus, these were then transmitted as anonymous traditions in the early Christian communities, developing in all sorts of ways in the process, and reached the Gospel writers as the product of such community transmission and development." It argues that the synoptic Gospels are based "quite closely" on the testimony of eyewitnesses, while one (the Gospel of John) is written by an eyewitness.

Cope, The Bible is unchanged, It's a fact confirmed by some of the biggest critics of Christianity

"bible is unchanged", which is why the 3 major denomination follow a different amount of books.

« could »

You said that he "probably had his own agenda when collecting the sayings". I was pointing that this is a baseless assumption.

could have, HOWEVER, Bukhari and other hadtith books were all authenticated both at the time of the compilation and later by others.

Secular historians laugh at y'all's "chains" and criteria. Muslims scholars said Islam was right . How about you try and read some criticism from independent historians.

I return the statement to you.
I ve read some criticisms, from Quranists, non-muslims, divergents. I have also read responses to those criticisms and concluded that the response made more sense to me.

Ok, my bad, here are some miracles of Muhammad that can only be found in the hadith:

• Multiplication of water: In a situation where the companions were thirsty, the Prophet dipped his hand in a vessel with little water, and water miraculously flowed from his fingers, quenching their thirst [Hadith sources: Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim].
• Healing with saliva: During a battle, the Prophet used his saliva to heal Ali's eye infection [Hadith sources: Sahih Bukhari, Musnad Ahmad].
• Night Journey (Isra and Mi'raj): The Quran mentions a night journey (Q 81:23-25) but doesn't detail the specific events like Prophet Muhammad traveling to Jerusalem and ascending to the heavens [Hadith sources: Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim].

ok ?

 

[jxkob88]

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Didn’t kill him then pocket knife failed to open resulting in minimal damage to the priest thankfully

 

[i_love_roosters]

bible is unchanged", which is why the 3 major denomination follow a different amount of books.

You're referring to the Apocrypha. It's a few books some denominations add to the OLD Testament (Same amount of books for the new Testament across all denominations). The Jews (old Testament niggas) never used those books so I don't see the need for them. If you read them, you'll see they're mostly tales (some history too) which do a good job at teaching people moral lessons. These books don't change the doctrines of Christianity in any way. They don't contradict the Christian dogma in any way that would be beneficial for Muslims. With or without these books, the message is the same

 

[aber]

Another reason why islam is false. Your book just doesn't make sense. It's the greatest thing ever made, yet it requires other books (made by humans) to be understood and guess what... it's still unclear af

If a Christian is on a remote island and all he has is a Bible he can get saved. If a muslim is on a remote island and all he has is a quran he's going to hell cuz he doesn't have the 38994103 volumes of hadiths, commentaries, and biographies

And even still you have to cherry pick which Hadiths are valid and invalid.

 

[Fiqh]

Praise be to Allah, next time he should keep his mouth shut about Islam or worse will occur.

 

[Rimaxtis]

L lil faggot, W christian priest

 

[Rimaxtis]

Praise be to Allah, next time he should keep his mouth shut about Islam or worse will occur.

Shut your bitch ass up you dirty muslim sandnigger

 

[Pumuckl]

Yes im sure a muslim stabbed a priest that was openly speaking up against israel. Fucking retard.

Leave the thinking to whites subhuman muzrat. As it turns out;

'In a video reportedly filmed in the wake of the alleged attack, the teenager can be heard saying in Arabic: “If he [the bishop] didn’t get himself involved in my religion, if he hadn’t spoken about my Prophet, I wouldn’t have come here … if he just spoke about his own religion, I wouldn’t have come.”''

 

[Fiqh]

Shut your bitch ass up you dirty muslim sandnigger

Cry more you depressed loser, why haven't you killed yourself yet?