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This site seems to favor bone moving surgery over implants from what I’ve seen, but what makes them better?
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I know, what aesthetic benefits does that offer that custom implants don’t? I’m not saying they aren’t better, I just wanna know why people favor them.it literally changes the position of your jaws and palates
Bro when u know ur face is realbone, its not same as implantI know, what aesthetic benefits does that offer that custom implants don’t? I’m not saying they aren’t better, I just wanna know why people favor them.
well it depends on whats needed if you need overall jaw width or something then you can do implants. but if youre recessed, you cant use implants to look like you have more forward growthI know, what aesthetic benefits does that offer that custom implants don’t? I’m not saying they aren’t better, I just wanna know why people favor them.
you cant use implants to look like you have more forward growth
That's literally what implants do. I can't find the thread right now but I'm sure there was someone here that posted about having had a wraparound implant for years and that it significantly improved his appearance but apparently he had a bite problem that had gotten worse over time and now needed orthognathic surgery.
As for your question OP, orthognathic surgery is favored other implants here cause people are kinda retarded and think that you're implanting breast implant silicone on your jawline so they think that you're going to end up looking like Steven Tyle even though he hasn't had implants.
Jaw surgery aka "no implants/only bone" is primarily concerned with correcting functional issues the patient may have such as bite deformities or obstructed airways in sleep apnea cases. As far as cosmetics go, you'd be heavily disappointed if you were to have it and expect to turn out with Superman jaw. Osteotomies such as the BSSO (movement of the lower jaw forward) can fuck up your jaw angles pretty bad, I've seen it happen in a lot of cases. But it's the only way to correct any bite issues you may have and if that's actually the case you should absolutely plan on doing it.
On the other hand, any augmentative procedure with the use of custom designed implants of a specific material whether that is silicone, Medpor, PEEK or even titanium (don't get your hopes up for this one tho) that cover the entire jawline area is superior in terms of changing the jaw appearance. You can have it designed so it can increase your jaw - chin projection, make the jaw angles or the chin wider and even increase their height at the same time. It's pretty easy to see why it's superior again, ONLY in terms of cosmetics.
That's all in theory though. In order for the implant to end up looking good on you, the truth is you need to go to someone that has been designing custom implants for the most part of their career AND have the appropriate amount of soft tissue thinness so you don't end up looking bloated. Unfortunately that's purely genetics based and even lowering your bf % won't do much. I think a good test of this would be to see if your mandibular bone border is visible from the side, even if it's recessed at the anterior direction it will still be visible if you actually have thin facial tissue.
TLDR: If you have a bite problem get jaw surgery first. Otherwise there's no reason in not getting implants if you have the appropriate underlying soft tissues structure.
Osteotomies such as the BSSO (movement of the lower jaw forward) can fuck up your jaw angles pretty bad, I've seen it happen in a lot of cases.
with implants you can only advance your chin, with bimax surgery you can advance your whole mandible and a part of your maxilla.This site seems to favor bone moving surgery over implants from what I’ve seen, but what makes them better?
First of all, ArabIncel rated me 6-7/10 and 5.5-5.25, which roughly equates to 6 psl because you look better in motion. Sure, I did send him the gay ass pic of me with my shirt down, but it doesn't matter, since it's for non lens distorted rating. The girl's name is indeed Jessica, The pictures I've sent of her are indeed legit, the conversation is indeed legit, her addy is down below and you guys can ban me if you want but I will not send further down of the convo, because after that its just me talking about "do I look good or no" **validation begging** and she said yeah and all that. It is not a larp, I am fucking serious, you can join me in VC and I will prove it. The screenshot is low quality due to a LockStar samsung module which allows for more screenshot taking capabilities by scrolling down since I have a samsung galaxy s8+. It is a exynos so font can easily be changed. I am not a larper, and all of this is indeed real, say except for the nudes because I obviously can't send a 16 year old's nudes because I respect this server and you guys. The nudes are from the web, but she did send me her boob pics on snap, which have been now deleted since I could not screenshot or change convo settings because she would be suspicious. I firmly believe that I am not 6 psl, and that I am indeed narcy, which is the truth. I apologize if I am making any of you guys feel bad, I really do not want to end up like Titbot. All of this is indeed real.That's literally what implants do. I can't find the thread right now but I'm sure there was someone here that posted about having had a wraparound implant for years and that it significantly improved his appearance but apparently he had a bite problem that had gotten worse over time and now needed orthognathic surgery.
As for your question OP, orthognathic surgery is favored other implants here cause people are kinda retarded and think that you're implanting breast implant silicone on your jawline so they think that you're going to end up looking like Steven Tyle even though he hasn't had implants.
Jaw surgery aka "no implants/only bone" is primarily concerned with correcting functional issues the patient may have such as bite deformities or obstructed airways in sleep apnea cases. As far as cosmetics go, you'd be heavily disappointed if you were to have it and expect to turn out with Superman jaw. Osteotomies such as the BSSO (movement of the lower jaw forward) can fuck up your jaw angles pretty bad, I've seen it happen in a lot of cases. But it's the only way to correct any bite issues you may have and if that's actually the case you should absolutely plan on doing it.
On the other hand, any augmentative procedure with the use of custom designed implants of a specific material whether that is silicone, Medpor, PEEK or even titanium (don't get your hopes up for this one tho) that cover the entire jawline area is superior in terms of changing the jaw appearance. You can have it designed so it can increase your jaw - chin projection, make the jaw angles or the chin wider and even increase their height at the same time. It's pretty easy to see why it's superior again, ONLY in terms of cosmetics.
That's all in theory though. In order for the implant to end up looking good on you, the truth is you need to go to someone that has been designing custom implants for the most part of their career AND have the appropriate amount of soft tissue thinness so you don't end up looking bloated. Unfortunately that's purely genetics based and even lowering your bf % won't do much. I think a good test of this would be to see if your mandibular bone border is visible from the side, even if it's recessed at the anterior direction it will still be visible if you actually have thin facial tissue.
TLDR: If you have a bite problem get jaw surgery first. Otherwise there's no reason in not getting implants if you have the appropriate underlying soft tissues structure.
That's correct but from the front view your jaw will narrower.How does it fuck up the jaw angle? The ramus should remain the same right?
Wrong thread budFirst of all, ArabIncel rated me 6-7/10 and 5.5-5.25, which roughly equates to 6 psl because you look better in motion. Sure, I did send him the gay ass pic of me with my shirt down, but it doesn't matter, since it's for non lens distorted rating. The girl's name is indeed Jessica, The pictures I've sent of her are indeed legit, the conversation is indeed legit, her addy is down below and you guys can ban me if you want but I will not send further down of the convo, because after that its just me talking about "do I look good or no" **validation begging** and she said yeah and all that. It is not a larp, I am fucking serious, you can join me in VC and I will prove it. The screenshot is low quality due to a LockStar samsung module which allows for more screenshot taking capabilities by scrolling down since I have a samsung galaxy s8+. It is a exynos so font can easily be changed. I am not a larper, and all of this is indeed real, say except for the nudes because I obviously can't send a 16 year old's nudes because I respect this server and you guys. The nudes are from the web, but she did send me her boob pics on snap, which have been now deleted since I could not screenshot or change convo settings because she would be suspicious. I firmly believe that I am not 6 psl, and that I am indeed narcy, which is the truth. I apologize if I am making any of you guys feel bad, I really do not want to end up like Titbot. All of this is indeed real.
with implants you can only advance your chin
Implants can make maxilla and mandible look advancedwith implants you can only advance your chin, with bimax surgery you can advance your whole mandible and a part of your maxilla.
Implants are legit only for zygos
But it's not a big deal right? You can just get fillers or an implant later to increase the width?That's correct but from the front view your jaw will narrower.
Yeah but they're not permanent and you'll need to also inject the entire jawline in order to not look uneven.But it's not a big deal right? You can just get fillers or an implant later to increase the width?
This site seems to favor bone moving surgery over implants from what I’ve seen, but what makes them better?
Holy shit, she looks 10 years youngerif you get High LeFort 1 w/ CCW rotation+BSSO w/ sliding genioplasty AND THEN custom jaw and midfacial implants AND THEN rhino plasty you can ascend this hard:
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It doesn’t look naturalBro when u know ur face is realbone, its not same as implant
If i had choice between bimax or implant that give me better aesthetic i will go for bimax because its my bone
I will feel so fake with implant inside me even tho it look natural
jfl it's not the same womanHoly shit, she looks 10 years younger
if you get High LeFort 1 w/ CCW rotation+BSSO w/ sliding genioplasty AND THEN custom jaw and midfacial implants AND THEN rhino plasty you can ascend this hard:
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if you get High LeFort 1 w/ CCW rotation+BSSO w/ sliding genioplasty AND THEN custom jaw and midfacial implants AND THEN rhino plasty you can ascend this hard:
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Would probably have to be removed sadlyIf someone already has a chin implant, can they still get BSSO and leave it in and just skip the sliding rhinoplasty? Or would the chin implant need to be removed regardless of whether they wanted the genioplasty or not?
its only misleading if you're retarded.Nigga remove that pic it's not the same woman . It's misleading.
Can confirm, am retardits only misleading if you're retarded.
Would probably have to be removed sadly
its only misleading if you're retarded.
Hes a lot smarter than me, so, hell it may be possible. Ask him for a morph. Also recommend reading some reviews about him.I just heard back from Andreishchev - he said he should be able to leave it in place if I'm happy with it. Maybe he's able to make the cuts far back enough along the mandible that the implant won't get in the way?
Also, he had asked me to send photos of males with the degree of forward growth I'd like to have. I sent him photos of Henry Cavill, Sean O'Pry, and some random MM. These are the photos I sent him for reference:
First of all, would you consider those to be ideal side profiles to shoot for?
Also, he straight up said "this is a result we can achieve." WTF, is it even humanly possible for me to get that much advancement? Or is he just trying to tell me what he thinks I want to hear? Should I run the other way?
Hes a lot smarter than me, so, hell it may be possible. Ask him for a morph. Also recommend reading some reviews about him.
Yes, those are very good profiles.
Did you ask for a high Lefort 1?
Treatment simulation is probably a morph. Im not sure what vertical changes mean. Make sure to send me his morph when you get it and we can discuss it further.Not yet, I had just mentioned in my original email to him that I wanted double jaw surgery with 10 mm of advancement of both the mandible and maxilla and counterclockwise rotation of the maxilla. Initially he said he was worried about the aesthetic outcome of giving me 10 mm of advancement, and that's when he asked for photos of people I'd like to look more like.
He also said we need to do a "treatment simulation" (not sure if this is the same thing as a morph) and that "at the end we'll recognize mm of advancement and may be vertical changes."
Do you know what he's referring to by "vertical changes?" Is he probably talking about possibly lowering the jaw angles?
By vertical changes he's probably referring to impaction / downgraft of the anterior and/or posterior maxilla.Not yet, I had just mentioned in my original email to him that I wanted double jaw surgery with 10 mm of advancement of both the mandible and maxilla and counterclockwise rotation of the maxilla. Initially he said he was worried about the aesthetic outcome of giving me 10 mm of advancement, and that's when he asked for photos of people I'd like to look more like.
He also said we need to do a "treatment simulation" (not sure if this is the same thing as a morph) and that "at the end we'll recognize mm of advancement and may be vertical changes."
Do you know what he's referring to by "vertical changes?" Is he probably talking about possibly lowering the jaw angles?
By vertical changes he's probably referring to impaction / downgraft of the anterior and/or posterior maxilla.
By treatment simulation he means planning movements in VSP software. He can make morphs from it but they aren't necessarily very accurate.
With CCW rotation you won't get the same amount of advancement in the mandible and maxilla since the mandible will get more of a 'free ride' forward from the rotation alone.
That's correct but from the front view your jaw will narrower.
I just heard back from Andreishchev - he said he should be able to leave it in place if I'm happy with it. Maybe he's able to make the cuts far back enough along the mandible that the implant won't get in the way?
Also, he had asked me to send photos of males with the degree of forward growth I'd like to have. I sent him photos of Henry Cavill, Sean O'Pry, and some random MM. These are the photos I sent him for reference:
First of all, would you consider those to be ideal side profiles to shoot for?
Also, he straight up said "this is a result we can achieve." WTF, is it even humanly possible for me to get that much advancement? Or is he just trying to tell me what he thinks I want to hear? Should I run the other way?
Yeah was scheduled for bimax in May but doubt that will happen now.Thanks for the explanations. What have you been up to these days? Are you still planning on getting double jaw surgery yourself?
Yeah was scheduled for bimax in May but doubt that will happen now.
When he says "this is a result we can achieve" he probably means he can move your jaws to match theirs. Whether or not it'll look good or not is debateable, you have to figure out how much advancement is ideal for YOUR face. Keep in mind to look at the projection of all the other bones in your face, particularly your forehead and eye area, and make sure there won't be any noticeable mismatches.
An Italian doc so he's screwed atm. But I guess it's about the same everywhere, no way of knowing how long this will take to blow over.The surgeon who did my implant work last year is also not allowed to do any elective surgeries for at least another month due to a state-mandated ban on all surgeries that aren't considered emergency procedures. Just out of curiosity, can I ask what surgeon you decided to go with for your bimax procedure? Wasn't sure if it was one of the well-known docs
No surgeon in their right mind would give you 10 mm of linear advancement just because you asked for it. That's the kind of movement they usually do on sleep apnea patients and not for aesthetic reasons. It would give you a very convex philtrum and a chimp look. I'm sure he will come up with a plan more suitable to your case.That's the only thing I'm worried about. I don't want to be given 10 mm of advancement simply because I ask for it; I want the procedure to be done in a way that will make me objectively better-looking. What complicates matters a bit is the fact that I currently have custom cheek implants in my face. I was planning on having the implants revised since they're more subtle than I'd like for them to be, but I've heard that bimax surgery can make someone's cheekbones look even less projected.
An Italian doc so he's screwed atm. But I guess it's about the same everywhere, no way of knowing how long this will take to blow over.
No surgeon in their right mind would give you 10 mm of linear advancement just because you asked for it. That's the kind of movement they usually do on sleep apnea patients and not for aesthetic reasons. It would give you a very convex philtrum and a chimp look. I'm sure he will come up with a plan more suitable to your case.
You can get a big advancement but some of it will likely come from rotation and not be evenly distributed over both jaws. So it may not be 10 mm all over.Yeah, he was kind of shocked when I requested 10 mm (then again, that's what Surgerymax - who is very knowledgeable - recommended for me over on Lookism). BTW, can I ask how much the Italian surgeon is charging you for bimax?
I was also considering a lip lift since my philtrum is on the longer side, but I'm afraid that if I get it shortened, it will throw off my philtrum-to-chin length ratio since my chin is also kind of tall.
You can get a big advancement but some of it will likely come from rotation and not be evenly distributed over both jaws. So it may not be 10 mm all over.
PM me and I’ll give you info on the surgeon.
you can probably get away with a conservative lip lift and especially if you get anterior impaction with a bimax. What’s your current philtrum and chin height if you’re worried about the ratio?
my philtrum height is about 19 mm
An Italian doc so he's screwed atm. But I guess it's about the same everywhere, no way of knowing how long this will take to blow over.
No surgeon in their right mind would give you 10 mm of linear advancement just because you asked for it. That's the kind of movement they usually do on sleep apnea patients and not for aesthetic reasons. It would give you a very convex philtrum and a chimp look. I'm sure he will come up with a plan more suitable to your case.
This guy knows. You can ask for all the advancement in the world, but typically if you have a recessed maxilla, you have other recessive features (weak orbitals/eye support, recessed cheeks, etc) which will look far worse and send you down a lifetime of augmentation. For mandible, just do a chin wing after, plenty of the Euro docs do this to get more advancement without touching the occlusion.
just ask for how many mm you want@Fuk did you see the aspie photos I posted above? Would you say that's a realistic amount of advancement I can expect to get from bimax? Or would both jaws get more advancement?