Sexual Dimorphism in the Mandible & Cheekbones.

[Korea]

Rate my mandile is recessed though and I'm lean maxed in these shit cheekbones I think
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Over for you nigga.

 

[Pearshaped]

Dam better rope then

 

[Korea]

Dam better rope then

Yup.

 

[Deleted member 17027]

Spoiler: TLDR

If you have inward gonions and sub 130mm Zygomatic Width ROPE you are not a man. If you have Straight or Outward Tilted gonions and have 130mm+ Zygomatic Width, get the fuck in the gym.

1.) Gonial Eversion & Curve
2.) Skeletal Bigonal Width
3.) Zygomatic Breadth
4.) Body Fat %

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Gonions Tilt 3 Ways.

Spoiler: The 3 Ways

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The 3 Different gonial tilts, create 3 different jaw shapes.

Spoiler: The 3 Shapes

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1.) Inward Gonions create a rounded jaw.
2.) Straight Gonions create a square jaw.
3.) Outward Gonions create a pointed jaw. (Just a tad bit sharper version of square.)

The reason why Inward Gonions are so FUCKED is because the masseter should fall into the pocket created by Straight or Outward Gonions.

Spoiler: Masseter Muscle

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If the Masseter has no pocket to fall into, no matter what you do, your jaw will be rounded.

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The shape is simple. They should have jagged edges, with no smooth curves.

Spoiler: Gonion Shape

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:2

The Skeletal Bigonial width is the measurement from gonion to gonion, not including any soft tissue in the measurement.

Spoiler: Skeletal Bigonial Width Measurement

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The average is 96 ± 7mm (Straight or Outward Gonions). While the average for women is 90 ± 7mm. (Inward or Straight Gonions)

This measurement is what actually determines how your gonions tilt.

1. 98mm + you probably have outwards.
2. 97 - 92mm you probably have straight.
3. Sub 92mm you probably have inwards.

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:3

Zygomatic Breadth is the width from Cheekbone to Cheekbone.

Spoiler: Measurement Technique

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The average Zygomatic Breadth is ~140mm.

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Having a high Zygomatic Breadth is a sexually dimorphic trait. Meaning you as a man, should have a high Zygomatic Breadth Measument.
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As you can see, the more Male Dimorphism is added to the face, the hollower the cheeks get and lower the body fat % goes.

If you're catching my drift, I'm saying most of you guys, probably over 90% should be able to have hollow cheeks with ease but.......

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:4

Most of you guys are fucking fatasses. LMAO. If you've never been 10 - 12% BF, you really actually have no idea what you look like.

The ability for males to have hollow cheeks is very easy, and SHOULD be common in men, but the average male is 20% BF not 10%

I don't really know what else to say besides get off your ass bro, there's 100's of before and after pics online.

Even BoNElEsS nORmIEs have hollow cheeks after gymcelling for 4 months.

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when is dirk gonna slide for con

 

[Alexanderr]

Just noticed you simultaneously have three pinned threads in the looksmaxing section, mirin.

 

[Korea]

Just noticed you simultaneously have three pinned threads in the looksmaxing section, mirin.

lmaoooo. Yea, I seen that too.

 

[beau]

@Korea

1.) Outward Gonions create a pointed jaw.
2.) Inward Gonions create a rounded jaw.
3.) Straight Gonions create a square jaw.

Is this pick correct?

 

[Korea]

@Korea
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1.) Outward Gonions create a pointed jaw.
2.) Inward Gonions create a rounded jaw.
3.) Straight Gonions create a square jaw.

Does this pick correct?

Yes, it does.

 

[Deleted member 15004]

Read every letter in this thread ngl

Gonna go to the store tomorrow to get measuring tape to know my BF % to make a thorough looksmaxxing plan

 

[Chintuck22]

If you have subhuman bone development, surgery is the only option


ZSO (Zygomatic sandwich osteotomy) - For improving the width of your cheekbones.

Jaw angle implants / wraparound jaw implants - For improving the angularity of your jaw


There is really no other effective treatment if you are cursed with this shit. Bonesmashing is dangerous and causes assymetries, and chewing will make your face bloated if you have inwardly positioned ramus to BEGIN with

 

[Aesthetics_III]

daily reminder if your above 15% bodyfat you should consider yourself obese

 

[Deleted member 2729]

On top of the gonion, making a rounded jaw.

Is this fixable with implants? Or is it over? In general would jawimplants help me get hollow cheeks if I am already lean and have good zygos (they aren't that wide tho)? Does the stretching of soft tissue from bimax+genio help with cheek hollowness?

 

[Birdcell]

daily reminder if your above 15% bodyfat you should consider yourself obese

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Water retention ?

 

[Korea]

Water retention ?

Nigger IQ Alert.

 

[Korea]

Is this fixable with implants? Or is it over? In general would jawimplants help me get hollow cheeks if I am already lean and have good zygos (they aren't that wide tho)? Does the stretching of soft tissue from bimax+genio help with cheek hollowness?

Do you know your Zygomatic Breadth in mm?

If it's under 138mm you need ZSO.

If your jaw is the issue, implants will help 100%

 

[Mewton]

Another good thread by

 

[Birdcell]

Nigger IQ Alert.

Are you a retard ? How can you call me a niger if you're yourself a pure nigger . l speak from experience and know what water retention can do

 

[Korea]

Are you a retard ? How can you call me a niger if you're yourself a pure nigger . l speak from experience and know what water retention can do

you ARE a retard if you don't realize the difference between water retention in bodyfat.

You miaswell be a nigger with that IQ.

 

[Birdcell]

you ARE a retard if you don't realize the difference between water retention in bodyfat.

You miaswell be a nigger with that IQ.

You want to say that on those 2 pics Barrett has different bodyfat ? But how is that possible if most people maintain their bf% for years

 

[Korea]

You want to say that on those 2 pics Barrett has different bodyfat ? But how is that possible if most people maintain their bf% for years

@Aesthetics_III and anyone who knows Barrett will tell you that's BF% Levels.

He said himself he loves to eat like shit and hates the gym.

 

[bogii]

it's over for genetic puffy cheekcels like me, no hollow cheeks for me

 

[Deleted member 18118]

Oh no

I’m so recessed I can’t even see my gonions

Whatever happened going from 10th to 12th grade my bones descended and my eye area + soft features ascended

 

[Fkingigacope]

Also it's impossible to have hollow cheeks with big masseters so niggas talking there about chewing hopefully stop this shit

 

[Korea]

Also it's impossible to have hollow cheeks with big masseters so niggas talking there about chewing hopefully stop this shit

Yup. Fatass masseters make hollow cheeks impossible.

In fact it makes the jaw rounder lmao.

 

[Fkingigacope]

Yup. Fatass masseters make hollow cheeks impossible.

In fact it makes the jaw rounder lmao.

Yes thats my case I need to get botox cause my jaw was sharper I'd say few yearsago

 

[Preoximerianas]

Unless you know for an absolute fact you're a narrow face cuck.

That's only 80th Percentile. Not too high from the average lol.

Bruh at 5'2, I'll take anything

 

[sanchez451]

Yup. Fatass masseters make hollow cheeks impossible.

In fact it makes the jaw rounder lmao.

Matt stonie

 

[sanchez451]

Also it's impossible to have hollow cheeks with big masseters so niggas talking there about chewing hopefully stop this shit

Matt stonie

 

[Korea]

Matt stonie

His jaw looks awful, his masseters are way too big.

 

[sanchez451]

His jaw looks awful, his masseters are way too big.
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Not at all just watch one of his recent videos

 

[speed700]

wh

Spoiler: TLDR

If you have inward gonions and sub 130mm Zygomatic Width ROPE you are not a man. If you have Straight or Outward Tilted gonions and have 130mm+ Zygomatic Width, get the fuck in the gym.

1.) Gonial Eversion & Curve
2.) Skeletal Bigonal Width
3.) Zygomatic Breadth
4.) Body Fat %

---

Gonions Tilt 3 Ways.

Spoiler: The 3 Ways

View attachment 1577542

The 3 Different gonial tilts, create 3 different jaw shapes.

Spoiler: The 3 Shapes

View attachment 1577544
1.) Inward Gonions create a rounded jaw.
2.) Straight Gonions create a square jaw.
3.) Outward Gonions create a pointed jaw. (Just a tad bit sharper version of square.)

The reason why Inward Gonions are so FUCKED is because the masseter should fall into the pocket created by Straight or Outward Gonions.

Spoiler: Masseter Muscle

View attachment 1577557

If the Masseter has no pocket to fall into, no matter what you do, your jaw will be rounded.

---

The shape is simple. They should have jagged edges, with no smooth curves.

Spoiler: Gonion Shape

View attachment 1577566

---

:2

The Skeletal Bigonial width is the measurement from gonion to gonion, not including any soft tissue in the measurement.

Spoiler: Skeletal Bigonial Width Measurement

View attachment 1577574
The average is 96 ± 7mm (Straight or Outward Gonions). While the average for women is 90 ± 7mm. (Inward or Straight Gonions)

This measurement is what actually determines how your gonions tilt.

1. 98mm + you probably have outwards.
2. 97 - 92mm you probably have straight.
3. Sub 92mm you probably have inwards.

---

:3

Zygomatic Breadth is the width from Cheekbone to Cheekbone.

Spoiler: Measurement Technique

View attachment 1577590

The average Zygomatic Breadth is ~140mm.

---

Having a high Zygomatic Breadth is a sexually dimorphic trait. Meaning you as a man, should have a high Zygomatic Breadth Measument.
View attachment 1577602

As you can see, the more Male Dimorphism is added to the face, the hollower the cheeks get and lower the body fat % goes.

If you're catching my drift, I'm saying most of you guys, probably over 90% should be able to have hollow cheeks with ease but.......

---

:4

Most of you guys are fucking fatasses. LMAO. If you've never been 10 - 12% BF, you really actually have no idea what you look like.

The ability for males to have hollow cheeks is very easy, and SHOULD be common in men, but the average male is 20% BF not 10%

I don't really know what else to say besides get off your ass bro, there's 100's of before and after pics online.

Even BoNElEsS nORmIEs have hollow cheeks after gymcelling for 4 months.

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who is the stacy in your pfp?

 

[Fkingigacope]

Not at all just watch one of his recent videos

Even in his last video it looks shit. You don't need to have big masseters, it makes jaw look 1:1 with zygos and thats bad, 0.9-0.95 is better. Also when you get leaner it doesn't change anything because the muscles are still there. His cheekbones are shit aswell, this just confirms that you don't need big masseters and they aren't aesthetically pleasing except maybe for some autists

 

[Tom Jones]

Solid Thread. I wish my gonions were a little wider

 

[Korea]

wh

who is the stacy in your pfp?

It was probably Adriana Lima.

@AscendingHero This nigga doesn't know who Adriana Lima is...

 

[Deleted member 8869]

Are my gonions straight ?
Fuark wide mouth is cool , but what about them lips ? Ngl I got cucked so hard with my paper thin lips

you look like a chadcel

 

[Deleted member 8869]

If you have subhuman bone development, surgery is the only option


ZSO (Zygomatic sandwich osteotomy) - For improving the width of your cheekbones.

Jaw angle implants / wraparound jaw implants - For improving the angularity of your jaw


There is really no other effective treatment if you are cursed with this shit. Bonesmashing is dangerous and causes assymetries, and chewing will make your face bloated if you have inwardly positioned ramus to BEGIN with

what surgeons perform ZSO that are the best at it?

 

[Birdcell]

you look like a chadcel

My goal is to look like this , I'm low DHT so I put muscles hard on , but I will try

 

[Deleted member 8869]

My goal is to look like this , I'm low DHT so I put muscles hard on , but I will try

you can make it birdcell i believe in you

 

[AscendingHero]

Spoiler: TLDR

If you have inward gonions and sub 130mm Zygomatic Width ROPE you are not a man. If you have Straight or Outward Tilted gonions and have 130mm+ Zygomatic Width, get the fuck in the gym.

1.) Gonial Eversion & Curve
2.) Skeletal Bigonal Width
3.) Zygomatic Breadth
4.) Body Fat %

---

Gonions Tilt 3 Ways.

Spoiler: The 3 Ways

View attachment 1577542

The 3 Different gonial tilts, create 3 different jaw shapes.

Spoiler: The 3 Shapes

View attachment 1577544
1.) Inward Gonions create a rounded jaw.
2.) Straight Gonions create a square jaw.
3.) Outward Gonions create a pointed jaw. (Just a tad bit sharper version of square.)

The reason why Inward Gonions are so FUCKED is because the masseter should fall into the pocket created by Straight or Outward Gonions.

Spoiler: Masseter Muscle

View attachment 1577557

If the Masseter has no pocket to fall into, no matter what you do, your jaw will be rounded.

---

The shape is simple. They should have jagged edges, with no smooth curves.

Spoiler: Gonion Shape

View attachment 1577566

---

:2

The Skeletal Bigonial width is the measurement from gonion to gonion, not including any soft tissue in the measurement.

Spoiler: Skeletal Bigonial Width Measurement

View attachment 1577574
The average is 96 ± 7mm (Straight or Outward Gonions). While the average for women is 90 ± 7mm. (Inward or Straight Gonions)

This measurement is what actually determines how your gonions tilt.

1. 98mm + you probably have outwards.
2. 97 - 92mm you probably have straight.
3. Sub 92mm you probably have inwards.

---

:3

Zygomatic Breadth is the width from Cheekbone to Cheekbone.

Spoiler: Measurement Technique

View attachment 1577590

The average Zygomatic Breadth is ~140mm.

---

Having a high Zygomatic Breadth is a sexually dimorphic trait. Meaning you as a man, should have a high Zygomatic Breadth Measument.
View attachment 1577602

As you can see, the more Male Dimorphism is added to the face, the hollower the cheeks get and lower the body fat % goes.

If you're catching my drift, I'm saying most of you guys, probably over 90% should be able to have hollow cheeks with ease but.......

---

:4

Most of you guys are fucking fatasses. LMAO. If you've never been 10 - 12% BF, you really actually have no idea what you look like.

The ability for males to have hollow cheeks is very easy, and SHOULD be common in men, but the average male is 20% BF not 10%

I don't really know what else to say besides get off your ass bro, there's 100's of before and after pics online.

Even BoNElEsS nORmIEs have hollow cheeks after gymcelling for 4 months.

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Bumping this beautiful thread

Yea I have straight/outward gonions which im planning to make even wider and more angular

Holy fuck if you have an inward jaw and you dont look like Matthew Noska. JFL at having the masseter SIT on your gonion, peak subumanity.

 

[tyronelite]

Bumping this beautiful thread

Yea I have straight/outward gonions which im planning to make even wider and more angular

Holy fuck if you have an inward jaw and you dont look like Matthew Noska. JFL at having the masseter SIT on your gonion, peak subumanity.

Stop making fun of me

 

[AscendingHero]

Stop making fun of me

Get your head up bro, you're black bro

Last time i checked in @Kingkellz 's thread you had nice hollows

Chin up king!

 

[tyronelite]

Get your head up bro, you're black bro

Last time i checked in @Kingkellz 's thread you had nice hollows

Chin up king!

My gonians are so subhuman that when I clench they split in 2 over ..

 

[AscendingHero]

My gonians are so subhuman that when I clench they split in 2 over ..

Im sure there's some type of surgery you can do.

Im sure some type of distraction osteogenis for posterior jaw width is coming out soon too to fix your masseter insertions.

Another important aspect of masseters is whether the muscle fibers are type 1 or type 2

 

[tyronelite]

Im sure there's some type of surgery you can do.

Im sure some type of distraction osteogenis for posterior jaw width is coming out soon too to fix your masseter insertions.

Another important aspect of masseters is whether the muscle fibers are type 1 or type 2

I’ll send u a pic in DM

 

[Birdcell]

Rate my mandile is recessed though and I'm lean maxed in these shit cheekbones I think
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Fillercel
Great jaw man

 

[Bobelbrah]

:2

The Skeletal Bigonial width is the measurement from gonion to gonion, not including any soft tissue in the measurement.

Okay, so...

This measurement is what actually determines how your gonions tilt.

1. 98mm + you probably have outwards.
2. 97 - 92mm you probably have straight.
3. Sub 92mm you probably have inwards.

...does these measurements try to correct for soft tissue?

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The average Zygomatic Breadth is ~140mm.

With or without soft tissue? If without, what would a good range be, soft tissue included?

 

[Korea]

Okay, so...

...does these measurements try to correct for soft tissue?

What do you mean by that?

These measurements are for greater accuracy as some people might have overly large

With or without soft tissue? If without, what would a good range be, soft tissue included?

With soft tissue is 106 ± 7mm

 

[Bobelbrah]

What do you mean by that?

These measurements are for greater accuracy as some people might have overly large

Does the measurements you provided for the jaw(98mm, 97 - 92mm, Sub 92mm) take soft tissue into consideration, or are they only measuring pure bone? Is they do not, what are the preferred measurements for the jaw, including soft tissue?

With soft tissue is 106 ± 7mm

You wrote this as an answer to my question about zygomatic breadth. Did you mean to write this as an answer to my question about the jaw?

 

[Korea]

Does the measurements you provided for the jaw(98mm, 97 - 92mm, Sub 92mm) take soft tissue into consideration, or are they only measuring pure bone?

Yes, this is only the bone no soft tissue.

Is they do not, what are the preferred measurements for the jaw, including soft tissue?

111mm+ is good, but 120mm+ is very good.

You wrote this as an answer to my question about zygomatic breadth. Did you mean to write this as an answer to my question about the jaw?

Yea, my bad this was about the jaw.

The Zygomatic Breadth measurements to use soft tissue.

 

[Bobelbrah]

Yes, this is only the bone no soft tissue.

111mm+ is good, but 120mm+ is very good.

Major lifefuel, my gonions are exactly 120mm!

Yea, my bad this was about the jaw.

The Zygomatic Breadth measurements to use soft tissue.

No worries. Having trouble measuring my zygo breadth, but it seems to be around 150mm. if 140 mm is average, how good/bad are my measurement?