I had modified Orbital Box Osteotomy and Implants by Surgerymax. AMA

[Foreverbrad]

I’m wondering if Lefort 2 could be added to this procedure or if it would cause too much overall reduction in stability.

It seems like although Giant is offering cosmetic OBO and Lefort 2/3, you would have to choose as the plate position of either would prevent the execution of the second surgery.

@RealSurgerymax - any hope in sight for those of us with IPD failo AND nasal base recession?

 

[T_T]

Does the supraorbital implant make you go from having a smooth eye area with no borders to having your lateral orbital rims poke out of your skull or anything protruding at all

what is mean is this

-->>

 

[Subhuman232]

Hello bro, I'm gonna do a trimax in the future and giant and liam seems a really good option, though it'd take me 3yrs to get it.

Anyways, is it hard to contact them to get reservation? and also do u think it'd be easier to have a reservation three years in the future in them? thanks bro! mirin

 

[6foot3Mediterranean]

making history. the advancements and improvements of meticulous movements on facial surgery in modern days still amazes me. Admire you for your courage, osteotomy in the eye area is mindblowing

 

[Subhuman232]

making history. the advancements and improvements of meticulous movements on facial surgery in modern days still amazes me. Admire you for your courage, osteotomy in the eye area is mindblowing

We need real pics tho after it heals completely, no disrespect to giant but they really need to post the facial ascension to convince all of us

 

[Deleted member 31287]

Bro you have really titanium balls to get this frankenstein surgery , i hope your recovery goes well and i really appreciate your contribution with this thread.

Btw I found this video posted by giant of a guy getting obo going from 62mm to 69mm you are him right? Or maybe another patient.

 

[reeceJen]

how did u get the 30k though?

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Are you still quite swollen? What % of the swelling has dissipated?

 

[Dystopial]

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.

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Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN

Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area

Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet






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All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateral growth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.

View attachment 2679753

Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.


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Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.


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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.


I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.


We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.


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Designer:

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https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==

Surgeon:

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https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4


OBO edit:

I saw your case first from giants insta, it showed up on my feed a few weeks ago. I am certain the increases to your IPD and ICD definitely improved your base, the question is can/did you ascend? I know you're still bloated but I would like to know how much your PSL actually increased after this.

Also some other concerns like, will your friends/family know? And if you had to explain this to every new person you date, wouldn't this be super weird? Also your titanium implants would show up in every xray you ever get of your skull and you would set off metal detectors at the airport and have to explain that you have titanium implants in your face.

Mirin your dedication just let us know how it goes

 

[Pakicel]

making history. the advancements and improvements of meticulous movements on facial surgery in modern days still amazes me. Admire you for your courage, osteotomy in the eye area is mindblowing

And on the other hand, our methods for delusionmaxxing subhumans have made no progress at all.

 

[Deleted member 60224]

And on the other hand, our methods for delusionmaxxing subhumans have made no progress at all.

Yeah bro delusional subhumans just need to pay women for dates like you said. Just directly offer them money

 

[Deleted member 50702]

Yeah bro delusional subhumans just need to pay women for dates like you said. Just directly offer them money

$500 a month is enough for a becky

 

[Pakicel]

Yeah bro delusional subhumans just need to pay women for dates like you said. Just directly offer them money

That's not what I mean.

Right now, it's very difficult to convince a self-aware subhuman he is a chad. Sure, there are subhumans who think they are 10/10 but they are like that naturally. If bluepillers are against surgery and are in favour convincing subhumans they are beautiful, do they should pressure therapists or psychologists to develop more effective ways of doing that. But all they do is just offer platitudes to self-aware subhumans.

 

[Pakicel]

Yeah bro delusional subhumans just need to pay women for dates like you said. Just directly offer them money

No. I said subhumans should looksmax to normie and do a little betabuxxing to get foids slightly above them.

 

[Deleted member 60224]

That's not what I mean.

Right now, it's very difficult to convince a self-aware subhuman he is a chad. Sure, there are subhumans who think they are 10/10 but they are like that naturally. If bluepillers are against surgery and are in favour convincing subhumans they are beautiful, do they should pressure therapists or psychologists to develop more effective ways of doing that. But all they do is just offer platitudes to self-aware subhumans.

They are insanely developed as well? Junk food, video games, porn

 

[Pakicel]

$500 a month is enough for a becky

In some places, you can get a stacy for 500 a month. It won't be a consistent 500 more like 800 one month and 200 another.

 

[Deleted member 60224]

No. I said subhumans should looksmax to normie and do a little betabuxxing to get foids slightly above them.

@cantbreed was this what he said?

 

[Deleted member 50702]

In some places, you can get a stacy for 500 a month. It won't be a consistent 500 more like 800 one month and 200 another.

i wish you luck with getting your stacy for 500 a month

 

[Pakicel]

They are insanely developed as well? Junk food, video games, porn

How tf does that convince a subhuman who isn't already delusionmaxxed he is a chad? Those are copes to distract you. Not a real cure for 'BDD'.

 

[Pakicel]

i wish you luck with getting your stacy for 500 a month

In curryland, truecels have forced indian stacies to marry them for a lot less.

A dollar goes much further than you think in many countries.

You can get a decent escort for 50 dollars a night in curryland.

 

[Deleted member 50702]

In curryland, truecels have forced indian stacies to marry them for a lot less.

A dollar goes much further than you think in many countries.

>indian
>stacy

and no that isnt possible

send me 2 examples of that

 

[Deleted member 60224]

>indian
>stacy

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and no that isnt possible

send me 2 examples of that

Taylor Hill

 

[Pakicel]

>indian
>stacy

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and no that isnt possible

send me 2 examples of that

Well, you @cantbreed where you live while indian truecels can rape their wives an unlimited number of times every day. Extremely immoral but they are getting laid at least.

 

[Deleted member 50702]

Well, you @cantbreed where you live while indian truecels can rape their wives an unlimited number of times every day. Extremely immoral but they are getting laid at least.

killy ourself u subhuman indian nigger

its over for u so u cope

 

[Pakicel]

killy ourself u subhuman indian nigger

its over for u so u cope

Lol. Just trying to help. If you @cantbreed where you live, you are going to need unconventional strategies to get laid. Looksmaxxing, surgerymaxxing etc are overrated on here. Geomaxxing, betabuxxing, jestermaxxing, playing emotional tampon are very underrated by most on here.

 

[Deleted member 50702]

Lol. Just trying to help. If you @cantbreed where you live, you are going to need unconventional strategies to get laid. Looksmaxxing, surgerymaxxing etc are overrated on here. Geomaxxing, betabuxxing, jestermaxxing, playing emotional tampon are very underrated by most on here.

only geomaxing is legit

just lol at playing emotional tampon

 

[Pakicel]

only geomaxing is legit

just lol at playing emotional tampon

You just have to listen to her problems and tell her she fogs victoria's secret models. Is it really that hard?

 

[Deleted member 60224]

Geomaxxing, betabuxxing, jestermaxxing, playing emotional tampon are very underrated by most on here.

Then why you post here instead of doing it?

 

[Pakicel]

Then why you post here instead of doing it?

I am just having trouble finding betabuxxing arrangements I can afford.

Where I live, beckies are asking me for 1k a month which is way outside of my budget. Hopefully, once I am a normie after looksmaxxing, I can bring it down to 300-500. I will also be playing emotional tampon and delusionmaxxing so it would be a good deal for a becky.

I have gotten opportunities to force paki beckies to marry me and get laid through rape. But I am not comfortable with it.

 

[HerpDerpson]

I am just having trouble finding betabuxxing arrangements I can afford.

Where I live, beckies are asking me for 1k a month which is way outside of my budget. Hopefully, once I am a normie after looksmaxxing, I can bring it down to 300-500. I will also be playing emotional tampon and delusionmaxxing so it would be a good deal for a becky.

I have gotten opportunities to force paki beckies to marry me and get laid through rape. But I am not comfortable with it.

Dude, you're a riot, you should go jestermaxxing route.
About an emotional tampon, it might be challenging depending on your character. Like if you're naturally an asshole, your lizard brain might slip in when you lose concentration, so when she asks if she's fat you just tell her to instead ask a doctor whether it's better to get a lipo or stomach reduction.

 

[ropemaxxingking578]

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.

View attachment 2679696View attachment 2679745View attachment 2679746View attachment 2679722View attachment 2679747



View attachment 2679860
Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN

Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area

Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet






View attachment 2679699

All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateral growth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.

View attachment 2679753

Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.


View attachment 2679773View attachment 2679629

Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.


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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.


I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.


We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.


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Designer:

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https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==

Surgeon:

View attachment 2679762
https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4


OBO edit:

Amazing post brother

 

[T_T]

Adn why exactly did your supraorbital implant need to be so wide, was it for eyebrow length?

 

[basedblackpiller]

I am just having trouble finding betabuxxing arrangements I can afford.

Where I live, beckies are asking me for 1k a month which is way outside of my budget. Hopefully, once I am a normie after looksmaxxing, I can bring it down to 300-500. I will also be playing emotional tampon and delusionmaxxing so it would be a good deal for a becky.

Is this some kind of sugar baby site? And do you share pics with them and they give you a price based on that?

 

[LoveSuckingFeet]

hey bro, can I please DM you?

 

[Pakicel]

Is this some kind of sugar baby site? And do you share pics with them and they give you a price based on that?

I’m just estimating it based on the hourly rates of hookers in different parts of London.

 

[basedblackpiller]

I’m just estimating it based on the hourly rates of hookers in different parts of London.

How did you estimate it?

 

[Pakicel]

How did you estimate it?

I am not using an exact method lol. I know an hour with a becky escort is £200. But overnight is like £1,000. So there is likely a steep monthly discount. Also, those rates are meant to subsidize the foids fucking obese indian truecels and the like. When betabuxxing, this is not the case so it would be normally like £600-700 for a normie. You'd get a further discount because you are providing other things of value like jestermaxxing and playing emotional tampon. So I am guesssing a normie would have to pay around £400 to betabux an MTB with the expectation of getting laid once a week. Since my SMV is 1-2 points lower than that of a normie, I'd have to pay around £1,000 for the same terms.

 

[Deleted member 50702]

I am not using an exact method lol. I know an hour with a becky escort is £200. But overnight is like £1,000. So there is likely a steep monthly discount. Also, those rates are meant to subsidize the foids fucking obese indian truecels and the like. When betabuxxing, this is not the case so it would be normally like £600-700 for a normie. You'd get a further discount because you are providing other things of value like jestermaxxing and playing emotional tampon. So I am guesssing a normie would have to pay around £400 to betabux an MTB with the expectation of getting laid once a week. Since my SMV is 1-2 points lower than that of a normie, I'd have to pay around £1,000 for the same terms.

You're one of a kind wow

All ethnics should die, literally an empty head

 

[Pakicel]

You're one of a kind wow

All ethnics should die, literally an empty head

Is there anything wrong with what I said? Do you really find it that hard to believe that you can betabux a becky for £1,000 a month? There are prolly millions of relationships like that.

What I said is very logical. How else do you explain the number of not-so-rich guys betabuxxing beckies? Betabuxxing has to be much cheaper than escortcelling or very few men would be able to do it. Foids also value other things besides money and are more selective about choosing a betabux so they lower their rates.

 

[basedblackpiller]

I am not using an exact method lol. I know an hour with a becky escort is £200. But overnight is like £1,000. So there is likely a steep monthly discount. Also, those rates are meant to subsidize the foids fucking obese indian truecels and the like. When betabuxxing, this is not the case so it would be normally like £600-700 for a normie. You'd get a further discount because you are providing other things of value like jestermaxxing and playing emotional tampon. So I am guesssing a normie would have to pay around £400 to betabux an MTB with the expectation of getting laid once a week. Since my SMV is 1-2 points lower than that of a normie, I'd have to pay around £1,000 for the same terms.

You’re underestimating the price and how much these girls value money over companionship. You’re competing with rich / divorced guys in their 40s and 50s. These girls are just viewing you as a source on income, and would still try to get multiple sugar daddies at the same time. Saw a thread on Reddit where average price per meet was £500 and this was 2 years ago. Now it’s prob £600 at least. Meeting 4x a week would cost £2400.

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

 

[Pakicel]

You’re underestimating the price and overestimating how much these girls value money. You’re competing with rich / divorced guys in their 40s and 50s. These girls are just viewing you as a source on income, and would still try to get multiple sugar daddies at the same time. Saw a thread on Reddit where average price per meet was £500 and this was 2 years ago. Now it’s prob £600 at least. Meeting 4x a week would cost £2400.

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

That's escortcelling. When betabuxxing, the foid enters into a relationship with you based on certain criteria so it's not like she needs to be compensated for fucking a truecel or anything like that.

Tbh, you won't find any exact quotes for betabuxxing arrangements. It's not a formal agreement. This is something you have to guestimate based on your understanding of the sexual marketplace.

 

[Deleted member 50702]

Is there anything wrong with what I said? Do you really find it that hard to believe that you can betabux a becky for £1,000 a month? There are prolly millions of relationships like that.

What I said is very logical. How else do you explain the number of not-so-rich guys betabuxxing beckies? Betabuxxing has to be much cheaper than escortcelling or very few men would be able to do it. Foids also value other things besides money and are more selective about choosing a betabux so they lower their rates.

Just try telling some girls u will betabux them with 1k a month

I suggest u use an anonymous acc at first to save urself from humiliation

 

[Pakicel]

Just try telling some girls u will betabux them with 1k a month

Nah. What you don't understand that it is not formal like that. There's a tacit expectation that you will provide some financial benefit.

I suggest u use an anonymous acc at first to save urself from humiliation

I doubt tinder is the best place as you will just attract escorts and sugarbabies. I am not referring to them.

 

[basedblackpiller]

That's escortcelling. When betabuxxing, the foid enters into a relationship with you based on certain criteria so it's not like she needs to be compensated for fucking a truecel or anything like that.

Tbh, you won't find any exact quotes for betabuxxing arrangements. It's not a formal agreement. This is something you have to guestimate based on your understanding of the sexual marketplace.

How would you even go about finding that sort of situation? Any girl who wants to do it will do it through these sites. It’s not like girls think I want a chad but think I’ll settle for a normie who pays me 1k a month. Maybe in Pakistan it’s like that but then they get married instead of just date.

 

[Deleted member 50702]

Nah. What you don't understand that it is not formal like that. There's a tacit expectation that you will provide some financial benefit.

I know but then what's ur plan to get them?

 

[Pakicel]

I know but then what's ur plan to get them?

Never said it was easy. I guess you will have to ask out lots of foids and test the water by paying for their food and offering gift. Maybe, after a few months you can judge if it is sustainable.

I am gonna get surgeries first to max out my looks and then see. I should get some interest if I am willing to spend some money.

 

[Pakicel]

How would you even go about finding that sort of situation? Any girl who wants to do it will do it through these sites. It’s not like girls think I want a chad but think I’ll settle for a normie who pays me 1k a month. Maybe in Pakistan it’s like that but then they get married instead of just date.

Like I said, it's not like they are explicitly looking for a paid arrangement. Just the expectation that you will provide some kind of financial benefit.

Btw, all foids in curryland ask your salary when arrangedmarriagemaxxing. There is no 'free' way to get laid. You have to pay, be it looks, money, status or your conscience.

 

[basedblackpiller]

Never said it was easy. I guess you will have to ask out lots of foids and test the water by paying for their food and offering gift. Maybe, after a few months you can judge if it is sustainable.

If they even allow you to be around them for a few months then you don’t need to betabux them lol.

Like I said, it's not like they are explicitly looking for a paid arrangement. Just the expectation that you will provide some kind of financial arrangement.

Girls in the Uk don’t have that expectation at all. It won’t even cross their minds unless they are struggling single mums

Btw, all foids in curryland ask your salary when arrangedmarriagemaxxing. There is no 'free' way to get laid. You have to pay, be it looks, money, status or your conscience.

Yeah but you’re in the UK now where that doesn’t apply

 

[Pakicel]

If they even allow you to be around them for a few months then you don’t need to betabux them lol.

What? Just because they hang out with you, doesn't mean they are into you. You could talk to a foid for months and not get anywhere.

Girls in the Uk don’t have that expectation at all. It won’t even cross their minds unless they are struggling single mums

I disagree. A normie bf who is willing to play emotional tampon, jestermax and provide expensive gifts every month is a gem for most foids. Many UKcels can't even spare £20 for a takeaway so a guy offering £500 in benefits is very appealing.

Yeah but you’re in the UK now where that doesn’t apply

I agree. Money matters a lot more in curryland.

 

[fatherprime]

I need to see the before and after you get everything else done.